Curse

Tarkin · Feb 21, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

The best things in life are free
But you can keep it for the birds and bees.
Now gimme money (that's what I want)
That's what I want (that's what I want)
That's what I want, ye-ye-yeh,
That's what I want.

Money don't get everything it's true.
What it don't get I can't use.
So gimme money (that's what I want)
A little money (that's what I want)
That's what I want, ye-ye-yeh,
That's what I want.

Yeh gimme money (that's what I want)
A little money (that's what I want)
That's what I want (that's what I want)
So gimme money (that's what I want)
That's what I want, ye-ye-yeh,
That's what I want.

Your lovin' give me a thrill
But your lovin' don't pay my bill.
Now gimme money (that's what I want)
That's what I want (that's what I want)
That's what I want, ye-ye-yeh,
That's what I want.

Money don't get everything it's true.
What it don't get I can't use.
So gimme money (that's what I want)
A little money (that's what I want)
That's what I want, ye-ye-yeh,
That's what I want.

Yeh gimme money (that's what I want)
A little money (that's what I want)
That's what I want (that's what I want)
So gimme money (that's what I want)
That's what I want, ye-ye-yeh,
That's what I want.

Tarkin · Feb 21, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

The best is a all human party... in some partys the ele, rangers, mesmers and tankes and necros are so good that them cant need heal... the foes die like hell open at u feets... but if u cant find some party like these, u need a good monk to heal... or like me, dont whant wait for AFKs, stupids conan tankes or fire storm nukers u can make all mission and quest just with henchs... henchs are "cool", because if tame them

, they will do all how u whant... and the shame for defeat will only urs

Van Falcon · Feb 21, 2006, 01:14 AM // 01:14

I have no problem with the concept, but the recent one I hired complained he was lagging for the first 3-5 mins of the mission (who knows if he actually was) and then quit with the money in his pocket. Really I was just stuffing around so I didn't care much, but got a chuckle out of it (the things people will do for 250g)..

Really, the average PUG monk, or even a hench is going to be of more use and less offensive than the average pay per monk. On the subject, I do tend to hang out a lot at places like THK with my monk and just monk for teams doing the mission. Of course I don't charge

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Eclair · Feb 21, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

I swear, the henchie monks will be 100% better if they just remove healing touch from them, or only allow them to use healing touch on themselves. Also, give them rebirth instead of restore life/ressurrect.

Gli · Feb 21, 2006, 01:52 AM // 01:52

You can't really argue with monks charging to help on a mission, because the demand is there, and it's not a new thing either. When my monk was due for Thunderhead, months ago, I got several offers as an incentive to join parties* within seconds of loading the area. Naturally, people will pick up on that: when there's a demand, someone will supply. There's really just one key issue here, being 'Why give a damn?' Some people will want to be paid, some people will be willing to pay. So be it. Be a part of it, or don't.

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*: I joined a party that had 2 people I played with before, without paying much attention to the gold offers. When we finished, 3 people in the party were ready to pay me 2k each. Apparently they'd been offering gold for almost an hour before finally getting the 2 monks they wanted. One of them was so insistent I accepted just to be rid of him.

XSniper · Feb 21, 2006, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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Originally Posted by Kitty

But every monk can heal, it's just nothing special

I would like to see you solo monk a group of 8 near Ember.

Personally I dont like people that charge for anything except for trading.
Although the community seems to disagree in game.
As an experiemnt I went to Thunderhead and said "Monk willing to do mission for 1k if we pass"
Surprisingly I got 4 invites almost instantly.
We did beat mission but I didnt charge them. Just shows you that people are willing too much for this to go down anytime soon.

Sents · Feb 21, 2006, 05:02 AM // 05:02

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Originally Posted by Linsys

If I'm not on my monk I would have NO problem paying a GOOD monk like my self to do a mission with me.. however the problem is how do I know the monk is good? I don't.... that is the problem... IMO is the monk is good why do they need 2k for a mission? A mission I've already complted for 2k isn't worth my time.. since I can solo I rather make money like that then running missions for people for 2k...

If the monk is good I doubt they need the money for missions..

On the other hand I think its WRONG for monks who have NOT completed a mission to charge for services, they problem suck anyway, so I would stay away from them.

All this from someone who tried to charge 100k(yes 100platinum) for a run(?) to the forgemaster in the FoW.
That was good for laugh let me tell you. Is the fact that you were trying to charge such an amount supposed to allude to your talents as a monk? You must be awesome indeed.LOL

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Why don't you have a guild by the time you get to THK and ROF? and Why aren't they helping you?

So far I have been in 3 guilds, they basically suck, unless the guild happens to be made up of very generous people(ya right), or they happen to be a group of friends, your still on your own if you have the guild 'tag' after your name or not. And I dont recall reading anywhere that joining a guild was a requirement for finishing the game. And no I dont need to be reminded what the game is called, not everyone has the time, desire, or inclination to belong to a guild. Nor should they have too.

monk muffle · Feb 21, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

well with myself i love farming and i can gaurantee over 80% of PVE monks are meant to farm if we can encourage them to go do missions every once in a while we can end this or if your a monk and your bored you can just go to a random mission and help people with the mission thats what i do i mean the fact that monks are for hire is absurd to me but is still a service and if people want to pay for it be my guest.`But most PVE groups are dumb and just aggro too many mobs, then they die and blame it on the monk, and then they beg you for a res. And when you res you think why did i do that they're gonna go die again 10 seconds later (ten seconds later) "wtf monk y didn't u heal me!" i applaud any monk that really wants to put up with this crap if you have a monk on your team be greatful i mean with the shortage of monks its insane P.S. also if anyone has that one extra slot on their character select menu please make a monk and stop this

monk muffle · Feb 21, 2006, 05:35 AM // 05:35

well with myself i love farming and i can gaurantee over 80% of PVE monks are meant to farm if we can encourage them to go do missions every once in a while we can end this or if your a monk and your bored you can just go to a random mission and help people with the mission thats what i do i mean the fact that monks are for hire is absurd to me but is still a service and if people want to pay for it be my guest.`But most PVE groups are dumb and just aggro too many mobs, then they die and blame it on the monk, and then they beg you for a res. And when you res you think why did i do that they're gonna go die again 10 seconds later (ten seconds later) "wtf monk y didn't u heal me!" i applaud any monk that really wants to put up with this crap if you have a monk on your team be greatful i mean with the shortage of monks its insane P.S. also if anyone has that one extra slot on their character select menu please make a monk and stop this

Bleidd · Feb 21, 2006, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by King Symeon

By the end of the game, you need 2 or 3 monks in a party of 8.

Because of the crap monks have to put up with, it is a less popular class to play, though a lot of people might have monks sitting around in their account. Therefore, there is a lack of them to fulfill the requirement in the missions.

Another point: If you can't find a monk to complete a mission PUG, maybe you should consider joining a decent guild that will help or has plenty of people doing missions. Or, take henchmen. Just don't take this pretend-service.

Point 1: Where exactly in this game do you need 3/8 Monks, or even 2/8? If the bulk of the playerbase would get off this two-Monk mindset and learn how to play with Geomancers, Hydromancers, Mesmers of all sorts, etc. so much damage would be negated, reduced, or prevented, that one Monk is more than capable of healing the one or two Warriors on the front.

Point 2: I'd love to see hard figures there. Basing my assumption off personal observation, I'd rate Monk as the second most-played profession. I wouldn't call being able to waltz into town, slap up a "Monk LFG for X," and having a sudden influx of invites to choose from as putting up with crap. The Monk is at least regarded as a useful addition to the team, unlike the aforementioned Geomancers, Hydromancers, Mesmers, et al, who more often than not do not receive the invite.

Point 3: In spite of what I've already said, and I hope my tone didn't come across as hostile (its really not), I agree with you. Some players are pricks. Henchbots don't talk back. Pretty easy decision to make there. You can hench nearly every mission in the game. There's no reason to resort to paying someone else to play the game with you.

/semi-rant off ^^

EnvyHax · Feb 21, 2006, 10:08 AM // 10:08

I, as a MO who's currently at Ring of Fire, am against this. Having people pay for something I should already be doing is pretty retarded.

I'm up for doing Ring of Fire, because there is never anyone there when I'm on. I usually have to resort to attempting it with henchies (a Mo/W calling targets is not the best thing at the end missions -.-), which usually fails.

Since I get home from work at 1:30am, there is usually no one at the Ring of Fire. If I'm on, I'll help.

IGN: Ember Loreweaver

coolsti · Feb 21, 2006, 10:09 AM // 10:09

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Originally Posted by King Symeon

By the end of the game, you need 2 or 3 monks in a party of 8.

Because of the crap monks have to put up with, it is a less popular class to play, though a lot of people might have monks sitting around in their account. Therefore, there is a lack of them to fulfill the requirement in the missions.

Another point: If you can't find a monk to complete a mission PUG, maybe you should consider joining a decent guild that will help or has plenty of people doing missions. Or, take henchmen. Just don't take this pretend-service.

You never should take or need 3 monks in a party of 8. If you think you do, its because you are trying to make up for lack of offensive/defensive strategy with extra healing, but then you are reducing the total damage abilities of your party, making things worse.

Take henchies, take henchies, take henchies is a good mantra. Human monks are fine when they are there and play like a team, but there is no reason to wait more than 5 minutes for that nonexistant monk to join your party. You can deal with the failings of the henchy AI if you play carefully and wisely.

Filling up your party early with henchy monks is an excellant way to filter out bad players. The players who complain about the henchy monks are the ones you should not take along.

Gli · Feb 21, 2006, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by coolsti

You never should take or need 3 monks in a party of 8. If you think you do, its because you are trying to make up for lack of offensive/defensive strategy with extra healing, but then you are reducing the total damage abilities of your party, making things worse.

Sad little fact right there, yeah. Some people will try to solve any tough spot by throwing more monks at it, and telling them otherwise often sets you up for abuse.

Bleidd · Feb 21, 2006, 10:30 AM // 10:30

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Originally Posted by Gli

Sad little fact right there, yeah. Some people will try to solve any tough spot by throwing more monks at it, and telling them otherwise often sets you up for abuse.

For the most part I'm a non-nuking Elementalist. I'm impervious to abuse from the unwashed masses. ^^ Two Monks = crutch. Three Monks = life support.

coolsti · Feb 21, 2006, 11:40 AM // 11:40

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Originally Posted by Bleidd

For the most part I'm a non-nuking Elementalist. I'm impervious to abuse from the unwashed masses. ^^ Two Monks = crutch. Three Monks = life support.

Your reply and several other posts on other threads made me think of something that I think a lot of GW PvE players don't consider: Move around during a battle when there is a need to. Move your butt out of danger. All too often I see players take a stance somewhere, and start to fight or spell cast, and continue to do so even when suddenly being pounded on by melee foes, shot at by ranger foes, or cast at by spell casting foes. Like, not moving out of wells of suffering or maelstrom. Cast your spells and then move away! Best advice for squishies and it actually makes the battle more fun.

I remember one of the funniest times I had was playing with an air elementalist in FOW. She constantly ran around in circles when not casting, because the melee enemies were constantly on her tail. But she never died, not even once. It was actually funny to watch! She was constantly in motion and so never really took deadly damage.

I also remember monking recently for a team trying to do Dunes of Despair. They got to the point where the ghostly hero opens the gate, but instead of waiting at the gate door (so that only 2 or 3 enemy come at them at a time) they took a stance in front of the door, and thus attracted all of the enemy at once. Assuming they were new to this mission, I can understand that they may have chosen to stand and fight in the wrong place. But what was unforgivable was the fact that none of them fell back to safer grounds. In short time my monking energy was used up and one by one the entire team died.

If people played a bit more defensively and a bit more wisely, less monking power would be necessary.

Lyta · Feb 21, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

People pay runners to do certain missions. Why you wonder that some monks do the same? You asked for it.

But the real problem is: it's no fun to play with pug's (usually) When I played through the game with my monk char I quickly started to prefer henchmen over pug's. Now I only play with friends or guild. When I ever play with a pug I'm testing a new build.

On the one hand, monk is a key position in a team, on the other hand it's no fun when the team does not behave or play far below the standard of the henchmen. The result is - no monks - and the few who play take money, what else could be the reason to play with a pug?

Gem · Feb 21, 2006, 01:22 PM // 13:22

People seem to forget something really important here. Most of the monks selling their help wouldn't be there otherwise. They don't take anything away from you by offering you a new choice. I like to have more choices open.

I am not a monk player myself, nor do I use the help of player monks. I find henchmen as good as a monks need to be.

If I had a monk and if I were good with him, I would offer my help for a fee. is people wouldn't pay me, I wouldn't bother helping them on areas I have allready completed. I would do something else.

RazielFirestorm · Feb 21, 2006, 02:40 PM // 14:40

i have to agree with king symeon, i think its ridiculous a monk would charge to heal ppl. somebody said earlier why should monks not charge, its their time they are using to provide a service. now come on its everbody's time and service then, should everyone start charging?

i have a monk myself, and why did i make it??? it makes money more than any other class i have, and iv got them all. ANY monk worth the 2k he is asking for in RoF missions or THK would be able to do uw or fow 2 man or 3 man. in the most part these monks are doing this service because they are not very good enough for uw and see an exploit in these missions. the difference is that hell is a mission and new players find it hard to play with henchies, and hell has few monks at any time. uw is not an essential place to go, hell is the last part of the pve story line.
do you really think it is fair to charge players to finish the game? running doesnt do that it helps players get 2nd 3rd 4th etc characters through the game faster because they have done it already. power levelers on the whole charge prices new players would not be able to afford and in general who would want to power level through the game for the 1st time they play. these monks in hell are generally no better than the players they are charging, that is unfair.
all missions are doable with henchmen yes, but hell is the last mission in the game and as such is very hard to do with henchmen unless you are an experienced player. one problem i see with these hell missions is that repeating the mission does not hold much reward for anybody, drops are not that great there and there is not much incentive to go there again once you have finished it once.
anyway, in general i dont see these monks making enough money for it to be worth while, just dont hire them. as somebody said earlier the best way to do everything imo is ith a guild.

ERMC · Feb 21, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

alot of people keep saying "why doesn't everyone start charging then" well let's break down the classes

Warrior- are you kidding me? They are everywhere more of an overabundance then a shortage. Therefore they can not charge to be in mission groups remember monks are charging because of a shortage of monks.

Mesmer- I am not a mesmer hater but seriously they have no chance at charging for missions. Most pugs will pick up something else over a mesmer.

Ranger- Same boat as the mesmer except in hell i thnk rangers are so happy that they are finally wanted they don't think about charging.

Elementalist- as the warrior plenty of these around. If a ele wants to charge you simply get another one, no shortage here.

Necro- Even though necros are viewed higher i still find it hard to get in groups as my necro. The necro population is rising imo. Talked to many people that deleted the eles they had for necros.

The monks are charging because not that many in the later "hard" missions.

i don't think these monks do it because they can't solo UW. Maybe they don't want to. Buying 5 sup runes and -50 focus item just so you can duo run UW and hope you get an ecto drop over doing final mission which takes about an hour and charging 2k each so 14k in an hour vs the amount of ecto you get in a UW run which someone would split with the necro. Getting 2 ecto drops for myself in a duo run is considered good for me and they take about an hour. So if i sell the ecto at 7k each i get 14k not counting if i get another good drop but not that many good things are dropping in UW cause of the over farming. So it evens out to about the same and this way the don't have to ruin any armor.

out of curiosity i played my monk yesterday and zoned to THK. got tons of blinds acouple of PMs. My response was do you know how easy this is with the hench. Most of them won't even attempt it with hench even though THK with hench has to be the easiest of the "hard" missions to do.

Keeper of Birds · Feb 21, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

I have to agree with the economists here- where there is a demand, a supplier will arise to fill it. I don't see anything wrong with this- assume that these folks are now doing this mission for the twentieth time, they aren't there to have fun, or playing the game "normally" as some have posted. I wouldn't do it myself, but I don't resent those who do.

I don't think it is a coincidence that you start to run into this at the stage in the game where your equipment can't carry you through anymore. Say you have bought a bunch of gold on eBay, gotten run to the forge and spent some of that money on nice armor and Uber weapons. You can glide through the first part of the game, and even skip the desert. But around THK, you will run into enemies you can't just walk up to and whack.

So, you need help? What to do- well, some of that gold is still left over, and better weapons aren't helping. There aren't many monks around, because a good monk will get through the mission on the first or second try. But it can take an inexperienced player a long time. That's another reason that there is such an imbalance. So, just pay to get past the darn thing. After all, paying got you this far, and eBay is only a few clicks away...